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Not another free credit card!

Will some­body tell these peo­ple that I don’t need another credit card?

Or a per­sonal loan (I already have a few under my belt thank you!).

Or a life insur­ance pol­icy (I have 2 and I only have one life last time I checked).

So, here I am in the mid­dle of some­thing impor­tant and the phone rings.

“Madam, we are offer­ing you a free life­time XXX credit card?”


No hello, no greet­ing, no find­ing out if I’m free to talk. I can under­stand that these folks cold call, but some sort of greet­ing and intro­duc­tion would be nice. They rarely bother ask­ing you if you’re free. I am not sure how they hire these folks but I wouldn’t be sur­prised if they don’t pro­vide any kind of train­ing at all.

I remem­ber for a brief period of time work­ing for a news­pa­per Down Under called the Weekly Trad­ing Post, where we had to make cold calls to folks adver­tis­ing their wares in other news­pa­pers. Inevitably, as cold calls go, you need to be really care­ful about dis­turb­ing the per­son and the first thing you ask is whether he/she is free to talk. You have to be cour­te­ous. And you can’t be pushy, because that is surely going to douse the fire real quick. That I’ve noticed is hardly done here.

Just as I write this, I receive a call from ICICI Home Loan Insur­ance. (Hello madam, but I don’t even have a home yet).

The other thing they don’t do is put you on a ‘do-not-call’ list when you request them to. Mul­ti­ple times. As a result you’re get­ting the same calls from the same com­pa­nies, say­ing the very same thing week after week. And being rude to the peo­ple who call, is also not really going to solve the prob­lem, because they’ve been hired to do a job. I am sure they are given the same print-outs week after week with no con­sid­er­a­tion for the fact that some of these num­bers might have already been called a dozen times already.

How else would I get an offer for an ABN AMRO credit card about 5 times even after point­edly refus­ing it and ask­ing them to take me of their list (please!).

I think in the long run, all these com­pa­nies will do them­selves more dam­age than good for these kind of mar­ket­ing tac­tics. Peo­ple these days don’t respond well to push tech­nol­ogy and that’s a well known fact. They are smart and intel­li­gent enough to make deci­sions with the right infor­ma­tion, but not if you push it down their throats 5 times a week. These com­pa­nies should really find out if their tac­tics are really work­ing and how many peo­ple actu­ally jump up and down with joy when they receive cold calls.

I must have got­ten a call from every major bank/credit card com­pany : ICICI, GE Coun­try­wide, SBI, ABN AMRO, HDFC, ICICI Pru­den­tial, Bajaj Alliance (and a few other insur­ance com­pa­nies). I shud­der to think of the places my num­ber is float­ing around in!

I read recently that TRAI, the tele­com reg­u­la­tor of India, is propos­ing a do-not-call reg­istry that will give phone sub­scribers the option of opt­ing out if they don’t want to receive ANY calls. So a con­sumer can choose to de-list himself/herself from the data­bases that are obvi­ously shared by all these com­pa­nies when cold call­ing. This, if put into prac­tice, will def­i­nitely be a boon for all the mil­lions of harassed cus­tomers who get at least a cou­ple of such calls a day.

How­ever, how far this can be a real­ity, espe­cially in India where the intru­sive cul­ture seems to be taken for granted is anybody’s guess. Till then, I guess we just have to con­tinue field­ing such calls from the var­i­ous mar­ket­ing com­pa­nies. And if you see some­one scream­ing down Hosur Road, wail­ing, “No, no, I really don’t want another free credit card,” chances are that it would be me :)

Discussion

20 Responses to “Not another free credit card!”

  1. Exactly the point — these com­pa­nies need to review their mar­ket­ing tac­tics in my opin­ion too. I’m sick of Air­tels, ICI­CIs, Citibanks of this world offer­ing me the best schemes day in and day out. Won­der when they will learn that this start­egy doesn’t works after some time.

    High time TRAI does some­thing regard­ing this issue.

    Posted by Manpreet | November 28, 2006, 1:05 pm
  2. The best way to tackle these calls is to lie them that you already have their card. This way you wont be called the next time…

    I used to get a call from ABN Amro, Delhi and they talk only in Hindi, assum­ing that I know Hindi… One day I replied them in Tamil and finally they hung up on me.…

    Posted by Silvester | November 28, 2006, 1:38 pm
  3. I guess it works the same way as spam. With less than 1% hit-rate, the busi­ness is pos­si­ble. 99% peo­ple get tem­porar­ily pissed-off, but that 1% keeps such mar­ket­ing strate­gies alive.

    Even telling a lie that I already have any­thing you offer doesn’t help. That guy hangs up, but next week another guy comes up with ‘fresh’ offer on the same product.

    I too tried pur­su­ing my num­ber to be included in do-not-call list with­out suc­cess. Then I changed my num­ber, and guess what? Air­tel sold my num­ber to mar­ket­ing agen­cies again.

    Posted by Kousik | November 28, 2006, 1:49 pm
  4. @Silvester

    I tried to do this. I told them already had a CC from the con­cerned bank, so the next time they called me with an offer for a FREE add-on card for my fam­ily mem­bers. How about that one?

    Posted by Kapil | November 28, 2006, 1:52 pm
  5. I once asked them what is a credit card, what is the use, how I can buy things using it, does that mean I dont need to pay

    Posted by Manish | November 28, 2006, 2:26 pm
  6. One fine day, a cold call from ICICI -

    ICICI: Sir we’re offer­ing life­time free credit card, do u want to go for it.. blah blah.. blah blah..
    ME: [Inter­cept­ing] Yes Yes, sure why not.

    ICICI: [Delighted] Great sir here are the details… blah blah..
    ME: Don worry, I just want to go for it.. no details required..

    ICICI: Thank u sir, [she’s about to begin again]…
    ME: [Inter­cept­ing] Do u give per­sonal loans also?

    ICICI: [Really happy now] Yes sir, do u want that too?
    ME: Yes, with­out any ques­tion. And hey do u pro­vide life insur­ance as well?

    ICICI: [Jump­ing] Def­i­nitely sir, I’ll put u’re name for that also.. Where do u work sir?
    ME: Nowhere, M search­ing for a job. Can u refer me there?

    ICICI: [Long Pause] [then hung up]

    I never got a call again. Worked bet­ter than ask­ing for DND (Do Not Dis­turb) list.

    Posted by Divs | November 28, 2006, 3:03 pm
  7. Divs, I liked your method very much and will try again.

    Posted by xinger | November 28, 2006, 3:48 pm
  8. Divs, that was a fan­tas­tic idea!

    Posted by Simba | November 28, 2006, 7:26 pm
  9. if you feel irri­tated by these calls then you do one thing, fight back. you have to pre­tend that you are inter­ested and then after long dis­cus­sions and meet­ings just tell them ill have to think about it and in the end just say im not inter­ested, trust me they would be much cau­sious next time with their customers.

    Posted by Bejoy | November 28, 2006, 11:08 pm
  10. These peo­ple know how to attract cus­tomers they keep on call­ing and they’ll keep on call­ing you until you say that I am not inter­ested in your product.

    Posted by umesh patil | November 29, 2006, 11:13 am
  11. how about this ?

    Caller : ICICI: Sir we’re offer­ing life­time free credit card, do u want to go for it.. blah blah.. blah blah..
    Caller : Hello Sir, Are you there ?
    Caller : Hello
    Caller : HELLO
    Caller : HELLO

    or

    Caller : ICICI: Sir we’re offer­ing life­time free credit card, do u want to go for it.. blah blah.. blah blah..
    Caller hears a dial tone. Tries again and a few min­utes later the same thing hap­pens. Tries again.

    After three or four times, he assumes that the line is no longer active and deltes it from his call list.

    vasu

    Posted by vasu | November 29, 2006, 3:15 pm
  12. My sym­pa­thies are with you. At least here in the US they honor the “please take me off your list” cry.

    Posted by Deepa | November 29, 2006, 10:24 pm
  13. Oh, I know exactly what this feels like — and just when i am drop­ping off into a com­fort­able snooze — it is always in the after­noon around 2;30 / 3:00.I am even asked to play sec­re­tary to my hus­band with ques­tions like “where/ when can he be reached?” “what is his mobile num­ber?” etc…
    And I am also tor­tured by the marketing/ ser­vice guys from Eureka Forbes. Every third day they ring my bell and I rush out of the bath­room or from upstairs only to find one of them ask­ing me the same ques­tions that i have answered 3 times a week week after week after week. I am putting a board out­side my house, “I have thrown away all Eureka Forbes prod­ucts just to keep EF reps away. So please Go away.”

    Posted by Usha | November 30, 2006, 10:38 am
  14. Just saw your post abt you com­plet­ing 5 years of blog­ging!! Amazing!…No won­der your vis­i­tor count increases by 1000s every day!.…
    …and your acknowl­edge­ment to the silent types is received with thanks! ;)
    I need to men­tion this, once when i was not in India, i was search­ing for some­thing and landed in one of your posts with Ban­ga­lore KR mar­ket pic­ture. I was in Tai­wan that time and was hav­ing a tough time with the food there. At that time when i saw your KR mar­ket snap…those piles of veg­eta­bles with dif­fer­ent colours…rekindled my hunger for good food :) You have cap­tured the mar­ket mood excel­lently. Hats off to you!
    It is great read­ing your blog!

    Posted by Simba | December 1, 2006, 1:30 am
  15. Once in my bad mood I got a call from Citibank, that am selected priv­iliged cus­tomer so I get 1lac as per­sonal loan.
    I told him if he can give me 1million i’ll take it..
    after that no calls frm him…

    Posted by kris | December 1, 2006, 11:07 am
  16. Ohh Gosh…these CC ppl keep call­ing all the time…all the banks.….I have also had bad expe­ri­ences with Eureka Forbes & THE WORST IS.…taa..daa…AIRTEL.…this offer that scheme..privileged customer…ring tones…contests…

    Posted by Mehak | December 1, 2006, 12:30 pm
  17. I fully agree with you and really feel that this is a great headache we have to bear with daily. Tele­phone Author­ity must do some­thing to stop this non-sense.

    Posted by Ajitkumar Wagle | December 10, 2006, 12:05 am
  18. I am stay­ing at Hyder­abad and sub­scribed to IDEA pre­paid mobile. They usu­ally keep flood­ing through spam mes­sages, that’s some­what tol­er­a­ble. But now I am get­ting unso­licited pro­mo­tion calls also which is very very dis­turb­ing. I even sent an DND mes­sage (Do Not Dis­turb) for no avail. I am seri­ously com­sider­ing to change the provider to Hutch/Airtel/Reliance… These kinds of mobile oper­a­tors should be sued for these acts. I heard that a law has been passed recently mak­ing it manda­tory for ser­vice providers / reg­is­tered com­pa­nies to pro­vide a DND kind of ser­vice which enables a per­son to remove his/her name from the mailing/calling list. Can any­one pro­vide more details on that?

    Posted by Madhu | March 3, 2007, 8:19 pm
  19. Hi,

    I have a post regard­ing that on my blog.. I reached here googling for credit card arti­cles in the mag­a­zine week.

    The Week car­ried a good arti­cle on the mal­prac­tices of these banks, some­time in this or last month

    Posted by shadows | July 5, 2007, 7:05 pm
  20. In the last few years, the eas­ily avail­able credit cards and loans in the
    mar­ket have superbly enabled us to increase our pur­chas­ing power way beyond
    what our salaries ever could.

    I can now buy just about any­thing on EMI by avail­ing of these loans and
    credit cards — be it a car, a house, expen­sive jew­ellery or a branded watch
    that costs almost more than 10 times my salary! What bliss.… and all
    because of the avail­abil­ity of credit at this age. Its a lifestyle I
    so enjoy, but one which I know I must curb at some point. I have been
    telling myself that I should stop spend­ing too much on my card because the
    bills at the end of the month tend to bother me. This heav­ily
    credit-dependent lifestyle makes me feel good and expe­ri­ence things I
    couldn’t
    oth­er­wise, but it also stresses me out every now and then. I tell myself and
    I want to stop but I can’t seem to! It’s almost like an addic­tion now. It’s
    frus­trat­ing every now and then.

    Any­way, logic not pre­vail­ing, I have been con­tin­u­ing the same lifestyle. I
    don’t think I will ever be able to stop it com­pletely but reg­u­lat­ing the
    habit is some­thing I am look­ing at now. I have begun to search for some way
    in which I could pos­si­ble get some pro­fes­sional guid­ance on “how
    much” of this indul­gence was ok for me at each point. To what extent could I
    indulge and still man­age to pay my bills and EMIs? To what extent can I
    afford to live on credit and yet not be stressed about the bills?! How many
    loans can I take and still man­age to pay off the EMI’s com­fort­ably every
    month so that I am not in a sit­u­a­tion where I have no money in the last week
    of every month!?? For how many months of
    the year can I afford to con­tinue pay­ing the min­i­mum on my credit card?

    Would any of you be aware of any such ser­vice that I can avail of? Who do I
    approach for such advice? Would be great if you could write in and advise me
    people!

    Posted by Maverick | November 9, 2008, 11:42 pm

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