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1. stewills says:
   

   November 15th, 2005 at 3:26 am (#)

   I can under­stand your frus­tra­tion. I lived on air­port road and we faced the same prob­lem with roads. The con­trac­tor who was meant to con­struct the road had a court case against him so the job was stopped. In the process of lay­ing a bet­ter road they dug up the old one and left us with dug up road. It was a mess dur­ing rainy sea­son. Yes Indian is try­ing to become a super­power but it sure will take time to do so (I hope not too long). I would love to go back to India as a first world coun­try some day :-)

2. Arjun Prabhu says:
   

   November 15th, 2005 at 9:08 am (#)

   I wont be sur­prised if the ‘Ex PM’ (read Man­nina Maga) reads this post and goes to the press and say…“Let Anita go to moon and live there. We dont have any problems.”

3. Pranjal says:
   

   November 15th, 2005 at 10:20 am (#)

   Hey,

   Wel­come back! Yeah, pathetic state of infra­struc­ture. Nonethe­less, after a won­der­ful tour, I’m hop­ing home-coming’s still sweet.

   Happy bounc­ing to work and back.

4. Mannina maga says:
   

   November 15th, 2005 at 3:19 pm (#)

   Dont under­stand why you cry all the time ? In any case none of your com­pa­nies pay Income tax. you got land at sub mar­ket prices. Why is it that you cant be happy with what you have ? Is it an endaemic need to eat all resources and build your west­ern dreams in India at the expense of poor who die a bad death ? Is it a cocky arro­gance of the newly rich ? Maybe some of you should travel to bellary/bidar and look how the sit­u­a­tion has been. Why should the IT roads or ban­ga­lore roads be given pri­or­ity ? Why not roads out­side of ban­ga­lore ? I think its time we get the IT guys onto the ground and tell them that this is no shangai and cer­tainly no LA. This is namma kar­nataka and we like it this way.

   We need more deve gow­das and Vat­tal nagarajs. We need to reclaim ban­ga­lore for the kannadiagas.

   It really doe­sent mat­ter what a few self cen­tered IT work­ers who are mainly out of state think about ban­ga­lore. They can live in peace or leave in peace.
   Why dont they go to Bihar and UP and build their IT parks ? Why do north Indi­ans come here and think that they own this place ? Why do they spread their stink every­where ? These uncivilised biharis have screwed up their states and are spread­ing like locusts into other states. We cal them par­a­sites. They are a disease.

   Its time we did some­thing about it and show who is the boss here. Its time we made IT con­tribute to the tax­a­tion of gov­ern­ment before they ask any­thing in return. Its time we de-prioritised IT and drive their costs up so that they can stop steal­ing jobs both in the US and in India.

   Its time the gov­ern­ment stops sub­si­dis­ing the cost of busi­ness for IT companies.

5. Balaji says:
   

   November 15th, 2005 at 4:25 pm (#)

   http://bangalorepothole.com/

   Ok, here you go!

6. Centurion says:
   

   November 16th, 2005 at 3:18 am (#)

   Give ‘em a break! The city just saw one of the heav­i­est rain in decades and here we have phoren returned madam sud­denly find­ing roads are full of pot­holes. What next..comparing the cement of Vid­hana­soudha with some French mon­u­ment just to show you have been there done that?

7. Amit says:
   

   November 16th, 2005 at 8:24 pm (#)

   Very frus­trat­ing (more than the roads ;-)) to read the responses to this post.

   I think there are as many Kanadiga’s(and Tamils) in North(Mumbai, I rem chem­bur as Tamil heart­land) and I never saw any com­ments towards them any­where like I m see­ing Kanadiga’s shout­ing about so called ‘outsiders’.

   I come from a place where all fes­ti­vals were cel­e­brated with har­mony and in peace and my best friends have been from chen­nai, coim­bat­ore and Hos­pet and what not. I never had prob­lems with any­one of them bcos I was from ‘North’.

   I think in pur­suit of regional aspi­ra­tions and the petty politi­cians who never rise above the vote bank pol­i­tics we have for­got­ten India and its solidarity.

   Wanted to write more but Hosur Road awaits me..have to rush home ;-)

   Long live Kar­nataka, Long live other states, Long live India. Dont for­get we have India cap­tain from Kar­nataka and we are really proud.

8. shub says:
   

   November 16th, 2005 at 10:19 pm (#)

   yeah this sub­ject has been beaten to death, if I may say so. Hon­estly the city’s taken on far too much than it can han­dle. The so called ‘poor infra­struc­ture’ wasn’t designed to take this load. Sure, the roads are tak­ing ages, the flyover’s dont seem to be hap­pen­ing, but heck, red tapism is preva­lent all over in India?!
   I guess we should look for means of doing some­thing about it than just crib­bing about it.
   No offence, but it makes my blood boil to see every sec­ond per­son crib away end­lessly about my city. C’mon its a city that’s begun to mean sec­ond home, if not home to so many! And more often than not, its them I see crib­bing about it. How about focussing on the pos­i­tives for a bit?!
   Again, no offence , but I do hope you under­stand how I feel :-)

9. anadi says:
   

   November 17th, 2005 at 3:45 am (#)

   Please visit my blog for a dis­cus­sion on diver­sity and region­al­ism in Indian IT and some other issues in IT indus­try from the point of view of an IT worker.

   I am expect­ing views from more peo­ple from what the cur­rent sit­u­a­tion is and whether it needs improvement.

10. anadi says:
    

    November 17th, 2005 at 3:46 am (#)

    For­got to thank you Anita for using your com­ment board.
    THANKS.

11. stewills says:
    

    November 17th, 2005 at 5:00 am (#)

    One day, we might even have roads in the city!
    One day, we might even have kan­nadi­gas believe that Ban­ga­lore is cos­mopoli­tan.
    One day, we might call our­selves Indi­ans first rather than Kan­nadiga or Tamil­ian or ……. I am a Tamil­ian :-)
    One day, we might have the right uri to man­nina maga!
    One day, we might actu­ally real­ize what the IT indus­try has done to Bangalore

12. usha says:
    

    November 17th, 2005 at 8:58 am (#)

    Yes, appalling and every­time you think it can­not get worse, it sur­prises you. I get extremely depressed if I step out of the house — I guess this city was only meant for you to stay inside and enjoy the weather and do noth­ing. Remem­ber it used to be called the “pensioner’s par­adise”. May be it has not been able to cope with such a trans­for­ma­tion in its per­son­al­ity into a vibrant, active city full of youth want­ing to move about.
    With all these death traps every­where I worry about any­one who has taken a vehi­cle out and not returned within “rea­son­able” hours account­ing for the traf­fic snarls and all.
    As for sug­ges­tions about cit­i­zens doing some­thing con­crete, we res­i­dents of Ban­nerghatta road went on a rasta roko a year back and what we got was some hasty patch­work which did not sur­vive the first driz­zle.
    As for those tak­ing a self right­eous stand and the Deve gow­das, they will be eat­ing their words when IT indus­try shifts to Chen­nai and Gur­gaon which are wel­com­ing them with open arms.
    The prob­lem is obvi­ous, there are plans and there is a bud­get– but what is com­ing out of all this? Well of course you are only allowed to pay your taxes and not ques­tion or you will be called an“outsider” or accused of being too critical.

13. Mannina maga says:
    

    November 17th, 2005 at 1:05 pm (#)

    The prob­lem is ban­ga­lore has become a dae­mon of its own kind totally cut off from the issues of kar­nataka. When 100s of farm­ers were comit­ting sui­cide (@10 a day) you IT guys were busy enter­tain­ing Sin­ga­pore PM, Rus­sia Pres­i­dent inside infosys… They made fools of all the peo­ple and no one dare say the emperor is naked.

    Its a leg­end among many ser­vice providers the quick­ness and effi­ciency with which govt. money was spent for IT. Only that more farm­ers died because of neglect. Thanks to Krishna. I think peo­ple have to have respect for deve gowda and other politi­cians who atleast have cred­i­bil­ity to talk. Atleast they dont sit in their cosy AC office and blog their mouths out.

    I think IT has been the bane of India and this gov­ern­ment spoon feed­ing is cre­at­ing a franken­stein that many of us cant han­dle. Many peo­ple are in the edge and IT is doing noth­ing for them but push­ing them off that edge.

    Part of that issue is ban­ga­lore aspir­ing for global sta­tus with­out car­ing how its own sons (kan­nadi­gas) feel about it. North Indi­ans com­ing to town and think­ing they own this place and spit­ting on the same plate they eat from is extremely obnoxious.

    These issues are entirely related and hey if tamil­ians were kicked out by shiv sena in mum­bai whats wrong in kick­ing out north indi­ans out of ban­ga­lore ? Go back to bihar.

14. stewills says:
    

    November 18th, 2005 at 3:31 am (#)

    It is a shame you have such views Man­nina maga has such views.
    How come your uri link does not rech any­where? Is it just me?
    “the quick­ness and effi­ciency with which govt. money was spent for IT“
    Is the gov­er­ment made up of so called out­siders?
    “Many peo­ple are in the edge and IT is doing noth­ing for them but push­ing them off that edge.“
    What do you expect? Whole of ban­ga­lore would be saved by the IT indus­try?
    “North Indi­ans com­ing to town and think­ing they own this place“
    Looks like you only want Kan­ni­di­gas liv­ing in Kar­nataka!!!! may be then Kan­ni­di­gas will watch the gov­ern­ment sun­sidised Kan­nada movies!
    just to annoy you even more I would sug­gest Kar­nataka like before should be under Madras!
    “spit­ting on the same plate they eat from.“
    You are right but it is the so called out­siders that put food on the plate. Ban­ga­lore is only the plate.

15. seema says:
    

    November 18th, 2005 at 2:45 pm (#)

    any idea about total num­ber of 4 wheel­ers in Bangalore

    Seema

16. paavai says:
    

    November 18th, 2005 at 4:06 pm (#)

    “We like it this way” — it’s inter­est­ing to see that some one is will­ing to accept sta­tus quo and is averse to any pro­gres­sion. Bet­ter roads will help Kan­nadi­gaas and non kannadigaas.

    Farm­ers dying is because of govt neg­li­gence and not man­ag­ing the finances prop­erly. IT earn­ings could eas­ily be diverted to rural devel­op­ment, since the earn­ings are much higher.

    It is IT that has pro­vided job oppor­tu­ni­ties like cab ser­vices, cater­ing and sev­eral other spin off businesses.

    This approach of my land, my home is nar­row minded and is dan­ger­ous. If across the globe this kind of nar­row minded approach is actioned upon , peo­ple from Kar­nataka soil too will get impacted. Maybe it is a good idea to check how many kan­nadi­gas are in the state of Bihar or Uttar Pradesh or US or Tamil­nadu (ban­ga­lore iyen­gar bak­ery is very famous in Chen­nai and the udipi restau­rants have been there for many many years)

17. manninamaga says:
    

    November 20th, 2005 at 8:23 pm (#)

    Here are some of my responses.

    If you are rich, IT is good.. If you are poor IT is bad.

    you cant afford rent, you cant afford the ridicu­lous prices IT peo­ple pay for vegetables.

    You cant afford trav­el­ling as almost every­one has a car.
    You cant afford school as the IT kids pay higher and higher donation.

    You cant afford health­care as IT peo­ple pay higher and higer amounts to doc­tors mak­ing the doc­tors unaf­ford­able to every­one else Unless ofcourse you hap­pen to be a sick paki kid with a hole in the heart.

    IT is good for the indi­vid­ual econ­omy of the per­son and very very bad for the local economy.

    Some facts about IT.

    Infosys has more than 1000 acres of agri land, stolen from peo­ple using the govt. as a bro­ker. A cou­ple of years ago when farm­ers protested against it in a press con­fer­ence, they were forcibly thrown out.

    They have not even paid fully the cur­rent facil­ity they are squat­ting on in E City.

    They have not paid one paise as Income tax to cen­tral govt.

    They have not yet cleared the arears for com­mer­cial taxes to the state. The out­stand­ing amt is upwards of 500 cr.

    The total peo­ple employed by IT in india is 2.5 mil­lion. The total num­ber directly employed in gar­ments are atleast 50 mil­lion. More peo­ple get jobs directly from gar­ments than in IT.

    IT jobs are a myth as the same set of peo­ple jump com­pa­nies and very lit­tle new employ­ment for the poor is created.

    For the job poten­tial in IT its not worth putting so much money.… ROCE (Return on cap­i­tal employed) in terms of jobs cre­ated is very poor. poor than even min­ing or agriculture.

    IT just man­ages to cre­ate more and more humungously rich indi­vid­u­als mas­querad­ing as holier then thou saints like NRN and ilk.

    It also brings in labour from other cities into ban­ga­lore indis­crim­i­nately than employ more Kan­nadi­gas and dal­its, back­ward and dis­ad­van­taged classes. We should force reser­va­tion in pri­vate sec­tor or run these com­pa­nies out of business.

    Before oth­ers shoot their mouth off, they should ver­ify all facts and quote with fig­ures. I dont have the habit of cred­it­ing peo­ple with no fig­ures with any­thing more than just igno­rant fools.

    I think like my tamil broth­ers did in the 60s we need to enforce kan­nada rule in ban­ga­lore before blood suck­ing leaches like NRN float around the idea of mak­ing ban­ga­lore a union ter­ri­tory. What hap­pend in TN should hap­pen in every region dri­ving the hindi speak­ing peo­ple out.

    The tamil broth­ers enforced tamil in TN which is why it is ahead in social devel­ope­ment and has a bal­anced out­look towards indus­try. Whereas what has kar­nataka got apart from IT ?

    We should tax heav­ily the pri­vate sec­tor and sub­sidise agri­cul­ture and cre­ate jobs in vil­lages. We should dras­ti­cally and quickly depop­u­late bangalore.

    The kan­nadiga anger is near the brim and one day when it would explode all of you would know.

    man­nina maga

18. Sameer says:
    

    November 21st, 2005 at 8:47 pm (#)

    To Man­nina Maga: It’s pathetic to know that such nar­row minded and racist peo­ple like you exist in a city like Ban­ga­lore. Mind you Ban­ga­lore is for all Indi­ans! And so is Delhi, Chen­nai, Mum­bai, Pune or Hyder­bad. If you can’t live in a cos­mopoli­tan, multi cul­tural and united India why don’t you think of form­ing a com­mu­nity of nar­row minded peo­ple like your­self on some another planet.. The rea­son being I am sure you will not be wel­come in any other coun­try on this earth!

19. shank says:
    

    November 22nd, 2005 at 12:56 pm (#)

    To Man­nina Maga: The most shame­ful ide­ol­ogy i have stum­bled upon is yours.Is your age a thou­sand years by any chance, for the last time i checked we are liv­ing in 2005, where thought process like your is a bit uncom­mon in edu­cated fraternity.Oh! I realise, you are pos­si­bly part of those une­d­u­cated lit­er­ates who can­not under­stand of what it means to be a global citizen.

20. natasha says:
    

    November 22nd, 2005 at 10:14 pm (#)

    oh peo­ple, don’t bother with such small minds…

21. Narror Minded Pavtya says:
    

    November 23rd, 2005 at 11:33 am (#)

    We have already seen how effec­tive the hum­ble farmer “Deve­g­owda” (dont care if i got his name wrong) is at retain­ing peo­ple who are atleast will­ing change city for the bet­ter.
    IT com­plexes need land to be built and if this sim­ple face has escaped some of the posters on here, then I think they need to see some medic. Would you rather have an Info city con­structed by demol­ish­ing your house instead?
    No one is against farm­ers, but their bet­ter­ment is not our onus, it’s the duty of the offi­cials whom they ELECT to uplift them, not ours.
    As for the region­al­ist com­ments some of the guys made on here, I am sure some of them must be sit­ting in Aam­chi Mum­bai with a view of the marine drive and key­ing those let­ters on a LapTop.

    Think before you open your mouth.

22. Satya says:
    

    November 26th, 2005 at 2:04 am (#)

    hey peo­ple,
    this is it. I wish we had such delib­er­a­tions and debate when we face the elec­tions. There is noth­ing wrong in say­ing that the infra­struc­ture is bad or IT tak­ing pri­or­ity over agri­cul­ture. Each of these sen­ti­ments have facts albiet big or small. The essence is to bridge the gap. The crux is to intro­spect and say “what have i done to make things bet­ter around me”. With our per­sonal con­sump­tion reach­ing astro­nom­i­cal heights and our world shrink­ing (touch­ing mach), its time we rise above regional fra­ter­nity and sec­toral big­o­tism.
    Itz time we vote by our feet.…walk it.

23. avinash k v says:
    

    November 29th, 2005 at 11:50 am (#)

    The prob­lem with Ban­ga­lore is dur­ing pre­vi­ous regime of Krishna, there was too much of empha­sis on IT, Ban­ga­lore
    (Espe­cially south-east B’lore which had IT inds.)
    Krishna neglected manufacturing,Agri,rural sec­tor totally. As a Govt. his regime’s job was to con­cen­trate on uni­form devlpmt of entire state, infact giv­ing pri­or­ity to back­ward regions. But what hap­pened? Even in B’lore he ignored Peenya indl. area which he was sup­posed to encour­age more than IT, as it had thou­sands of small, medium man­u­fac­tur­ing indus­tries which pro­vided jobs to all sec­tions of the soci­ety . Even a 7 th pass would get a job, whereas in IT only the white — col­lared B.E. / M.TECH would get job. This is def­i­nitely unde­sir­able. If he had not encour­aged IT so much, heav­ens would not have fallen. But, due to neglect Peenya , which once used to be hub of indl activ­ity now has become a sick region with lack of basic infra­struc­ture. Many inds have shut the shop.
    Again, by these IT inds we Kan­nadi­gas are not at all ben­e­fited. Rather we are suf­fer­ing from ill effects of mas­sive urban­i­sa­tion o f Ban­ga­lore. Ordi­nary kan­nadi­gas’ life has become mis­er­able. Cost of liv­ing is sky-rocketing. Kan­nadi­gas soft atti­tude made many out­siders take advan­tage and dump peo­ple from their states inde­scrim­i­nately in IT & NON-IT inds. Tamils, telugus,mallus & other non-kannadigas who were already there in key posi­tions, just brought in more peo­ple in thou­sands. Merit has noth­ing to do as we know some of them can’t even speak basic Eng­lish. They are com­ing here with fake expe­ri­ence, fake docs & with their friends in recruit­ing teams. These guys again bring in more peo­ple. There­fore, b’cause of so many out­siders throng­ing B’lore with localites dif­fi­culty increas­ing Krishna who was rated highly by national media was kicked out. The result is now no politi­cian wants to even whis­per abt Blore or IT and has resulted in bad infra­struc­ture.
    I hear lot abt Chennai,Hydbad,Pune — abt over­tak­ing Blore. But why the hell these Tamil­ians & oth­ers throng Blore in hoardes. We will be the hap­pi­est peo­ple on earth if these cities over­take Blore, thereby mov­ing a good pop­u­la­tion to these places. But infrstr or no infrstr, B’lore is attract­ing com­pa­nies & peo­ple like never before.
    Deve­g­owda gets sup­port on this count.
    The entire state is dis­il­lu­sioned with this IT.
    IT inds are talk­ing abt merit for recrut­ing Kan­nadi­gas . This we all know is ridicu­lous, as Kar­nataka is the cap­i­tal of IT AND BT.
    BIOCON says they get bet­ter tal­ents in Pune & Madu­rai than in Kar­nataka. Well, then you please shift yr facil­i­ties to pune /Madurai. It’ll be eas­ier for u to appoint.
    Why govts. invite inds to setup shops? For fun? The main objec­tive is employ­ment genrn for the localites. If this is not hap­pen­ing why we need these inds? Let them move to places where they get good can­di­dates.
    And to speak abt sta­tus of kan­nadga lan­guage less said the bet­ter.
    These out­siders who throng city behave as if they are in their home state.(In first place, why are they here in such large nos.?) With scant respect for Kan­nada & Cul­ture.
    Regard­ing cos­mopoli­tan cul­ture, have u seen Chen­nai, which boasts of major inds. There its only Tamil & Tamil,nothing else. Ditto Hyder­abad, Cochin,Delhi,Kolkata,Pune.
    So, please try to under­stand why no politi­cian wants to touch Blore’s infra­str.
    Now it is govt’s job to ensure proper rep­re­sen­ta­tion of localites in IT — NON IT inds.

    AVINASH K V

24. sharath says:
    

    November 30th, 2005 at 2:36 am (#)

    I have been liv­ing in Ban­ga­lore all my years, Now I am in Chennai(what a hell to live), the most stu­pid­est place I have selected for my career, poe­ple hardly speak eng­lish, even if you get a call from ABN AMRO rep­re­sen­ta­tives, or from any other bank reps, they would not speak eng­lish. Roads!!, DAMN roads in chen­nai, except for some good areas, other indus­trial areas never had roads and will never have roads. The moment you think you are in a road, the next you are in a gut­ter, the whole city smells hor­ri­ble, i cant even explain what kind of smell it is, from where its com­ing. Its every­where in chen­nai. When it rains, the whole city would be under water. Believe me guys, you peo­ple are lucky to be work­ing in Ban­ga­lore. The most beau­ty­full city. I spend all my week­ends in ban­ga­lore and get back to work in chen­nai. I know the dif­fer­ence between these two cities.
    I really do not under­stand why do peo­ple keep crib­bing about ban­ga­lore all the time over the inter­net. ban­ga­lore has pot­holes, chen­nai has gut­ters, thou­sands of them, that too on the road. recent rains have shown what is chen­nai.
    Just com­pare your own cities with ban­ga­lore, None of your own cities would pro­vide you atleast 10% of what ban­ga­lore pro­vides you.
    ” naanu kan­nadi­ganalla, aadre Kan­nada­davau, kan­nadadha Abhi­mani ” — I am not kan­nadiga, But I definetly belong to kan­nada, and I love kan­nada. I have been speak­ing kan­nada
    I agree with Avinash, Can you believe that offi­cial meet­ings in IT indus­try of chen­nai hap­pens in Tamil. They just ignore out­siders. they dont care whether you under­stood or not. I have seen peo­ple from north india wont even stay in chen­nai for more than 5 months. and You all talk rub­bish about ban­ga­lore.
    And whats more… peo­ple who dont belong ban­ga­lore, com­ment on ban­ga­lore. Tamil­ians– who are just slaves brought in to ban­ga­lore by british, who dont even care to keep their own city clean, talk about ban­ga­lore pot­holes. What the hell is hap­pen­ing. look at your­selves and your homes, your home­towns before talk­ing about ban­ga­lore. Are you clean!!! Mr stewells. Look at your tamil­nadu before com­ment­ing on ban­ga­lore. or sim­ply look at your “Tamil accu­pied Ban­ga­lore” areas, pity that they are so dirty, see­ing all these things, What I think is that you want an envi­ron­ment just like chen­nai, and you do have them in ban­ga­lore, then why you are crib­bing. Go and live in sri­ram­pu­ram or prakashnagar.

    Mr Stewells, what­ever your name is, maybe you are look­ing at ban­ga­lore as a state, Its the kar­nataka which is a state, no out­siders are feed­ing ban­ga­lore. Kar­nataka is rich, Very RICH, we dont need you, You are a tamil­ian, You are just a slave brought into ban­ga­lore for labour jobs. BE a SLAVE. That what you and your fore­fa­thers have been doing right from the British. Dont act as if you are rul­ing Kar­nataka. And more­over you cant rule kar­nataka. What if Ban­ga­lore has less kan­nadi­gas, I promise that you cant even land in Mandya.

    Like Avinash said, and after read­ing all your com­ments, I really dont want Ban­ga­lore to be IT Cap­tol, let it be Chen­nai, Hyder­abad, or Pune. Iam happy if ban­ga­lore looses IT indus­tries. Atleast poe­ple will stop com­ment­ing on My Beau­ty­full Bangalore.

    Hope that gov­ern­ment will con­tinue to ignore IT and infra­struc­ture devel­op­ment. Good job Deve Gowda!!!!! Keep it going. You are the real Man­nina Maga!!!!!

    I really dont want DELL, IBM, HP, Ora­cle, Microsoft, yahoo, and thou­sands of other com­pa­nies to be in Ban­ga­lore, MOVE OUT, as peo­ple say, it has bad infra­struc­ture, its not a place for you big com­pa­nies. Come to chen­nai and live long in gut­ters. I promise that you will for­get Eng­lish. I will promise that you will for­get the sweet smell of green leaves and grass in gar­dens. WELCOME to CHENNAI, the “ARMPIT of INDIA”.

25. Perry Naik says:
    

    December 7th, 2005 at 3:55 am (#)

    All this “man­nina maga” busi­ness is just empty talk. Kan­nadi­gas are a lazy bunch and will­ing to hang on to anybody’s coat­tails or “panchey-tails” as long as they don’t have to do the work. The Kan­nada slo­gan should now be changed to “Siri­g­an­nadam Gal­lige” not “Gelge”. Most of the­ses idiots (includes the HD fam­ily, Rajku­mar fans, etc.) can’t even speak or write decent Kan­nada. What in the world are they talk­ing about Kan­nada Nadu? I’m a Kan­nadiga myself and it’s pathetic that in this day and age, some relics of the past (AKA Rajku­mar or Annavru fans) are show­ing pathetic signs of intol­er­ance and frustration.

26. AVINASH K V says:
    

    December 7th, 2005 at 10:10 am (#)

    Some peo­ple who know noth­ing abt Kan­nada, Kar­nataka call them­selves kan­nadi­gas. It is not just Rajku­mar, or other reg­u­lar kan­nada activists, this time all sec­tions are com­ing together to resist this outsiders(read beg­gars) men­ace.
    The mes­sage is clear.
    What­ever the infrstr of Blore, whether these out­siders are happy with it or not makes no dif­fer­ence for Kan­nadi­gas. For us the pri­or­ity now is 75% JOBS FOR KANNADIGAS IN IT , NON IT Inds & sta­tus of Kannada.Later on we can think abt infrstr.

27. ram says:
    

    December 11th, 2005 at 9:10 am (#)

    In Kar­nataka, Kan­nada is the king. Peo­ple who move to Ban­ga­lore for mak­ing a liv­ing should par­tic­i­pate in fos­ter­ing our cul­tural and lin­guis­tic struc­ture. After­all, our states in India are based on lan­guages we speak. The lan­guage sur­vive based on the useage.

    North Indi­ans should real­ize this fact and begin learn­ing and respect­ing Kan­nada rather than beg­ging or argu­ing with an arro­gant state­ment like “hindi hamara ras­trab­hasha hain”. We also love Hindi, but the point is not that.

28. ram says:
    

    December 11th, 2005 at 10:04 am (#)

    Hindi belt must learn to give up lin­guis­tic chauvinism

    By M V Kamath

    We might fret and fume at what the British had done for India and we might quote every­one from Dad­ab­hai Naoroji to Jawa­har­lal Nehru to show how what they did to impov­er­ish our coun­try, but for one thing we might as well be grate­ful to our erst­while rulers: they taught us Eng­lish and prob­a­bly that has done more to unify the coun­try than many are will­ing to admit, let alone admire. At this point in time more Indi­ans speak Eng­lish than the cit­i­zens of the British Isles.

    Arti­cle 345 of our Con­sti­tu­tion says that “until the Leg­is­la­ture of the state oth­er­wise pro­vides by law, the Eng­lish lan­guage shall con­tinue to be used for those offi­cial pur­poses within the State for which it was being used imme­di­ately before the com­mence­ment of this Con­sti­tu­tion”. And Arti­cle 348 says that all pro­ceed­ings in the Supreme Court and in every High Court the author­i­ta­tive tests shall be in the Eng­lish lan­guage. Hindi, of course, is India’s offi­cial language.

    Arti­cle 351 says that it shall be the duty of the Union to pro­mote the spread of the Hindi lan­guage, to develop it so that it may serve as a medium of expres­sion for all the ele­ments of the com­pos­ite cul­ture of India. What steps the Union has taken in this regard is a mat­ter of opin­ions, but prob­a­bly Bol­ly­wood has done more to spread Hindi or, per­haps, Hin­dus­tani through­out the coun­try than any gov­ern­ment agency. Which is just as well.

    There is no ques­tion but that Hindi is a beau­ti­ful lan­guage, but then so are Tamil, Tel­ugu, Kan­nada, Malay­alam among the so-called ‘Dra­vid­ian’ lan­guages and Marathi, Gujarati or Ben­gali among the so-called “Atyan” lan­guages derived largely from San­skrit. Large num­bers of South Indi­ans those espe­cially liv­ing the down side of the Vin­d­hya Moun­tains are con­ver­sant with Hindi, in part because the lan­guage is taught in many schools but in part also because South Indi­ans want to be part of the larger Indian econ­omy and realise only too well that with­out an ade­quate knowl­edge of Hindi they can­not make it else­where in India.

    It is not patri­o­tism alone that makes them learn Hindi; it is sound eco­nomic sense. But the reverse is just not true. Hardly any North Indian both­ers to learn any of the South Indian lan­guages. Hardly any school makes the study of a South Indian lan­guage com­pul­sory. Patri­o­tism, it would seem, is a one-way street. Heads I win, tails you lose. This is not only not fair, but it is unjust.

    The South Indian, if only as a mat­ter of sur­vival, will learn Hindi, but the Hindi belt does not in any way feel oblig­ated to learn a South Indian lan­guage any of the five. It was at one time pre­sumed that stu­dents will be taught three lan­guages: One’s mother-tongue, Eng­lish and Hindi and it was pre­sumed that where one’s mother tongue was Hindi, the stu­dent would be taught one of the Dra­vid­ian lan­guages. This has never happened.

    The third lan­guage taught has invari­ably been San­skrit. Insis­tence on learn­ing Hindi has led to dis­tur­bances in past years espe­cially in Tamil Nadu. That has been taken as an ‘impo­si­tion’ which has been silently endured.

    But isn’t it time for the north­ern states to change their approach to the study of lan­guages? They have five lan­guages to choose from and it will be a unique con­tri­bu­tion to the gen­uine enhance­ment of inte­gra­tion if the mil­lions of school chil­dren doing their high school grad­u­a­tion in North India are famil­iarised with a South Indian lan­guage. And may it be remem­bered that South Indian states are rapidly mak­ing their mark in the field of indus­tri­al­i­sa­tion and technology.

    It is not Alla­habad or Luc­know or for that mat­ter even Kolkata that is mak­ing ways in Infor­ma­tion Tech­nol­ogy. The two cities that are increas­ingly get­ting into the news are Ban­ga­lore and Hyder­abad. Andhra Pradesh’s Chan­drababu Naidu says: “if I get re-elected, I will turn my state into another Sin­ga­pore” and for all one knows, he will do so and what is more, he’ll beat Sin­ga­pore, con­sid­er­ing that there is more tech­ni­cal tal­ent avail­able in Andhra Pradesh than in lit­tle Sin­ga­pore. Singapore’s pros­per­ity has its lim­its because of its size. For Andhra Pradesh as for Kar­nataka it is the sky that is the limit. And the more firms in the United States, Britain and else­where decide to out­source their account­ing and allied work, the more Ban­ga­lore will burst in pros­per­ity, leav­ing the cit­i­zens of the Hindi belt to bite their nails. This is not to say that north Indian cit­i­zens will not catch up.

    Intel­li­gence is not the monop­oly of South Indi­ans but the fact is that they have made a good start and are at an advan­tage. The Hindi belt is still wal­low­ing in casteism and has such mind­less lead­ers as Laloo Prasad Yadav and Maya­vati. What kind of progress can we expect under the lead­er­ship of such casteist nonen­ti­ties? They are a stand­ing men­ace to the future of the coun­try. National unity comes through fre­quent inter-mixing of peo­ple, dif­fer­ing to lan­guage, eth­nic­ity and reli­gion. Today prac­ti­cally the only thing that binds India is Hin­duism. From Kash­mir to Kanyaku­mari there is not one who does not know Siva, Vishnu and Brahma, Laxmi or Saraswati, Hanu­man or Ganesh. But that is not enough. There is need for lin­guis­tic assimilation.

    An aver­age Maha­rash­trian with a high school leav­ing cer­tifi­cate would know Marathi, some Eng­lish and surely some Hindi. In many ways Andhra Pradesh has been lucky. Dur­ing the reign of the Nizams, study of Urdu had been com­pul­sory in schools with the result that most edu­cated Andhra-ites of an ear­lier gen­er­a­tion were famil­iar with Eng­lish, Tel­ugu and Urdu. A typ­i­cal exam­ple is P. V. Narasimha Rao who is cred­ited with being a multi-linguist. But can one name one North Indian leader famil­iar with a South Indian language?

    The first Prime Min­is­ter Jawa­har­lal Nehru was bliss­fully igno­rant of a South Indian lan­guage. And not one of India’s north Indian Prime Min­is­ters had a bet­ter record. Nei­ther Indira Gandhi nor Rajiv Gandhi, nei­ther Lal Bahadur Shas­tri nor I. K. Gujaral, nei­ther Chan­drashekhar nor Cha­ran Singh knew a word of any South Indian lan­guage. What does that con­vey? Atal Behari Vaj­payee is a great ora­tor in Hindi; he is a poet, besides. But if only he could speak a smat­ter­ing of Tamil or Tel­ugu, Malay­alam or Kan­nada, how much would that not be appre­ci­ated? Poor Deve Gowda didn’t know a word of Hindi but at least he had the good sense to say that he was going to learn Hindi and before long would dare to address an audi­ence assem­bly at the Red Fort in Hindi. He may not have got the oppor­tu­nity, but there is a dif­fer­ent story. But one fre­quently hears the ques­tion being asked in the Hindi belt: how many lan­guages can a child pos­si­bly learn? Truth to say a child can learn many languages.

    A Dutch stu­dent will get to learn not only his own lan­guage but Ger­man, French and Eng­lish as well. There are peo­ple in the Kanara dis­trict of Kar­nataka who speak Konkani, Tulu, Kan­nada and Eng­lish with equal felic­ity. There are stu­dents in cos­mopoli­tan Mum­bai who can speak Malay­alam (or Tamil or Kan­nada) at home but out­side their homes speak just as flu­ently in Marathi, Hindi and Eng­lish. What is needed is the will. In the Hindi belt that will is totally lack­ing. In part, one sus­pects, the sea­son why is that the Hindi­wal­lah sel­dom seeks a job out­side his ter­ri­tory. There­fore he sees no need to learn a south Indian lan­guage. He is cul­tur­ally iso­lated. It is eas­ier to find a Tamil­ian or a Kan­nadiga in Varanasi or Patna than a Bihari or an Uttar Pradeshi in Mysore or Tin­n­ev­elli. The South Indian is enter­pris­ing, gen­er­ally speak­ing. The Hindi­wal­lah is more often not. And there’s the rub.

    There are of course, always excep­tions to the rule. Mar­wadis, for instance, are to be seen prac­ti­cally any­where in the coun­try where busi­ness oppor­tu­ni­ties present them­selves for exploita­tion. There are large and influ­en­tial num­bers of them in Kolkata, Mum­bai, Chen­nai or Ban­ga­lore and they quickly make them­selves at home wher­ever they set­tle down. But, as has been said, one swal­low does not make the sum­mer. And, at any rate, it does not ques­tion the impor­tance of an insis­tence of teach­ing a south Indian lan­guage at the high school level in north Indian schools.

    Gandhi was fre­quently aware of the need to know more than just Hindi. At least he is known to have taken the trou­ble to learn the Tamil and Kan­nada scripts and sign his name in them. India is multi-lingual and it is humanly impos­si­ble for Indi­ans to speak in more than two or three lan­guages though some one like George Fer­nan­des or P. V. Narasimha Rao are excep­tions. George, for instance can speak in Konkani, Kan­nada, Tulu, Hindi, Marathi and Eng­lish and pos­si­bly in Tamil and Gujarati as well.

    It is impor­tant to know Hindi. That is read­ily con­ceded, just as it is even more impor­tant to know Eng­lish which is rapidly becom­ing an inter­na­tional lan­guage and the lan­guage of com­merce. If so much work is being out­sourced to India by Amer­i­can firms, it is because Indi­ans know Eng­lish and are bet­ter placed, for instance, than the Chi­nese or the Japan­ese. Indi­ans, it may even be said, have a nat­ural tal­ent to learn lan­guages. And the more India’s literati are lit­er­ate in inter­re­gional lan­guages the greater the prospects of national integration.

    South India is mak­ing giant strides. As a mat­ter of fact in many ways it out­per­forms the so-called South East Asian tigers and can take on any coun­try. Some­where down the line the Hindi belt must learn to give up its lin­guis­tic chau­vin­ism, for its own good as for the good of the entire country.

29. AVINASH K V says:
    

    December 12th, 2005 at 11:03 am (#)

    I do agree that one can­not learn all the south indian laguages, but what I feel is when peo­ple come here, they
    should atleast try to learn the language.It is not just north indi­ans but many Tamil­ians who are liv­ing here for decades can­not speak a decent Kan­nada.
    The prob­lem in Ban­ga­lore is unique.Here the atti­tude of out­siders is “chalta hai”. Here it is not just the ques­tion of Lan­guage. The employ­ment issue. Kan­nadi­gas are employed in neg­li­gi­ble num­bers in all the sec­tors.
    I don’t find any city in north or south so large hearted to accom­mo­date out­siders in such large nos in lucra­tive employ­ment. Are they? I doubt.
    Finally, what I feel is Kan­nada and cul­ture should get the promi­nence. I do agree Blore is an Inter­na­tional brand today and nobody can stop/object out­siders com­ing here. But let there be give and take pol­icy. We are not ask­ing for reser­va­tion for non-merits. But let these inds make sure that more and more Kan­nadi­gas are recruited in these inds with other indi­ans also, thereby paving the way for a har­mo­nious atmos­phere.
    Oth­er­wise these issues will cause more harm.
    Today every­one is look­ing at India with awe.Bcause we are fastest grow­ing econ­omy next to China.(IN some aspects bet­ter )
    Every­one should think for the pros­per­ity of the coun­try and the city they live in.

30. dharaneesh kudur says:
    

    January 18th, 2006 at 5:23 am (#)

    Sharath ! S U P E R .. I am your fan. I just could not stop nod­ding in agree­ment while I was read­ing your com­ments. I am in IT and I was pro-IT & infra­struc­ture blah blah. BUt you have made me think..

    I have either been / have friends in Big IT com­pa­nies like Wipro, TCS, CTS and Infosys. The top people(especially HRs who recruit) are all either Mal­lus (mostly)/ Tel­u­gus / Tamil­ians. They make every effort to recruit peo­ple speak­ing their langauge.

    I am sur­prised and ashamed to see very few kan­nadi­gas as col­leagues in my work place at ban­ga­lore. Reser­va­tion for localites at least is a must in IT ind. not based on caste / community.

    Also Good work Avinash !But I am very dis­ap­pointed and fum­ing at this Perry Naik. The talk was all about Ban­ga­lore and may be mr Deve Gowda. Where does an artist like Raj Kumar whoe never both­ers any­body come into the pic­ture ? Peo­ple like Perry should leave alone great peo­ple Like Raj who are an asset to the entire state on their own . If he/she does not like him, leave him alone. Long live Ban­ga­lore ! Kudos Sharath & Avinash. Keep fight­ing for our land and our pride. We are all with you.

31. Vinay says:
    

    June 20th, 2006 at 4:41 pm (#)

    Anita Bora, Mod­er­a­tor, You have deleted my last post which had jus­ti­fied criti­sism on Kan­nadi­gas but have retained post # 24 (and so many more) that fool­ishly down­grades Tamil­ians as slaves!

    If you are mod­er­at­ing, just do it prop­erly. Do not pro­mote racism in your site!!

32. Vinay says:
    

    June 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pm (#)

    Some Fanatic Kan­nadi­gas to this day have not changed. Blam­ing Tamil­ians and North Indi­ans of “snatch­ing” their jobs they them­selves didn’t bother to do a true analy­sis of the sit­u­a­tion. One guy above went to the extent of say­ing HRs are Mal­lus or Tel­u­gus or Tamil­ians who only favor these ppl when recruit­ing. Any sen­si­ble per­son knows, you are not going to blindly put a per­son on a job just because he is a Tamil­ian or a Tel­ugu. For that mat­ter I even known a cou­ple of HRs that are kan­nadi­gas. Tamil Nadu appar­ently has some of the best Edu­ca­tion stan­dards in India (THE best I dare say) and no won­der the Indian soft­ware indus­try is full of them. Sharath, why are you com­plain­ing abt usage of Tamil in Chen­nai for offi­cial meet­ings? In all Asian and Euro­pean coun­tries (except UK) but India the stan­dard lan­guage for office com­mu­ni­ca­tion is not Eng­lish but Chi­nese or Japan­ese or Ger­man etc. What is _your_ prob­lem in Tamil­ians using Tamil in work com­mu­ni­ca­tion? In my opin­ion the Tamil­ians are bet­ter at speak­ing in Eng­lish com­pared to aver­age Kan­nadiga but they have pre­ferred usage of Tamil in all fields from day one due to their com­fort with their lan­guage. In the mean­time if you really need a job in Chen­nai learn Tamil else come to Ban­ga­lore. No SINGLE IT com­pany will have their meet­ings in Kan­nada and EVERYTHING is strictly (!) in Eng­lish (as if Ban­ga­lore like Amer­ica was a piece of land unin­hab­ited before :D)

    Sharath, you dare say Chen­nai is a stu­pid place? The most stu­pid­est place could not have pro­duced India’s great­est math­e­mati­cians, sci­en­tists and nobel prize win­ners like CV Raman, Sri­v­i­vasa Ramanu­jan, Chadrashekar or the cur­rent chess mas­ter Vish­wan­than Anand. The list is end­less. The suc­cess and the capa­bil­ity of the Tamil­ians speaks for itself

    Any­ways I will stop here, in the mean­time I sug­gest you check­out the Edu­ca­tion stan­dards of kar­nataka com­pared to TN or other South Indian states and do some­thing in that area if you can That is prob­a­bly the THE ONLY way to get kan­nadi­gas in good num­bers into IT field. And stop bitch­ing and com­plain­ing abt ppl who deserve it

33. nitin says:
    

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:39 pm (#)

    Hi

    First i would request you to stop giv­ing such a remark or com­ments only on TAMIL
    am not sup­port­ing them, but why do you need to pin-point only them?
    To the fact chen­nai is also cos­mopoli­tan city.. you know the same as tamil­ians
    are there in ban­ga­lore.. there are twice or more per­cent­age of tel­uguians are
    there in chen­nai.. there are many sign boards-hotel boards-shop boards are writ­ten in tel­ugu
    are these chen­naites opposs­ing this ????? no tel­uguians and chen­naites
    are more friend­lier.. has ever chen­naites com­plained that they are being
    dom­i­nated by tel­ugu peo­ple? no…never.…
    we are indi­ans.. pls dont make such com­ments and make kan­nadi­gas and tamil­ians
    as india and pak­istan..
    If u still need to make an issue :
    1.Just ask all tamil­ians in ban­ga­lore to vacate ban­ga­lore
    2.vacate all kan­nadi­gas from chen­nai and make a BIG fence and have
    a bor­der secur­tiy… for both the states will that be a solu­tion ???
    3.Stop all the trade between kar­nataka and TN
    4.Fine or prison any­one who talks or writes tamil in ban­ga­lore or kan­nada in
    chennai

    This can be a GREAT solu­tion to the above issue, so every­one can live in
    their own cul­ture and close the doors!

    My sim­ple request would be pls stop this kind of divi­sion between kan­nadi­gas
    marathis..teluguians..particularly tamilians

    We are all humans!

34. Pauke says:
    

    December 1st, 2006 at 5:04 pm (#)

    Why fight among our­selves like stray dogs? Are we not Indi­ans first and last? or are we sheep from some ter­ror land. We must leave like broth and kiss like sist. It is a bloody dis­grace that in 21 st cen­tury that we are fight­ing like mad bulls in a ring.

    It is time we wake up and do our beauty for keep­ing our cities and coun­try clean and green and ever beau­ti­ful. that means stop dig­ging roads, fol­low traf­fic rules, stop peeing/ spit­ting and stop keep­ing man­holes open for the world to be swallowed.

    with such a ancient his­tory and such a vibrant future, we should kiss up and make up . Else we will fold up like our carket/hockey team does in pedda championships.

    All you bud­dies , stop being like chud­dies and be like fud­dies and make our beau­ti­ful nation strong and por­w­er­ful equal to Ban­galdesh / Zim­babwe …or is it USA ? what di ya say?

35. ramesh says:
    

    June 13th, 2007 at 8:30 am (#)

    you peo­ple are just cre­at­ing use­less hype on this issue.

    not only in ban­ga­lore.
    even even chen­nai is musch cosmopoliton.

    chen­nai has 35 % tel­ugu speak­ing peo­ple. tel­u­gus and tamil always co existed.
    from the bor­ders of A.P to chen­nai you can find lots of tel­u­gus.
    most of the I.T com­pa­nies in chenani have a siz­able tel­u­gus.
    dozens of engi­neer­ing col­leges in chen­nai have major­ity tel­u­gus like R.M.K college,S.R.M,satyabama colleges.

    this all didnt cre­ate ten­sions among tamils and telugus.they are always friendsly.

    if u go to T. nagar chen­nai it has 50 % telugus.

    most of the shop­ping malls in T.nagar are occu­pied by tel­u­gus.
    most of the sign boards in T.nagar are tri lin­gual writ­ten in tamil,telugu and english.

    this didnt lead to tensions.they dont rub the sign boards.
    tamils and tel­u­gus are freindly.
    you know vijaya hos­pi­tals in chenani at vada­palani ‚all the doc­tors there are tel­ugu ‚most of the patients who come there are telugus.once when you enter the hos­pi­tal u feel u are in hyderabad .

    such is the bong between tel­u­gus and tamils.
    tel­ugu films do release in chen­nai .
    even more num­ber of tamil films are dubbed to telugu .

    appolo hos­pi­tals, say­tam cin­e­mas etc etc are owned by tel­u­gus in chen­nai.
    where ever tel­guus go they repect the locals and their lan­guage.
    even in ban­ga­lore tel­u­gus pres­ence in ban­ga­lore did­not lead to tensions.

    there may be ten­sions between kan­nadi­gas and tamils,mallus,northies.
    but no chance of ten­sions between tel­u­gus and kan­nadi­gas.
    that is the bond between kan­nada and tel­u­gus.
    they are just twins.

    kan­nada kas­turi == tel­ugu theyta.

36. Indian says:
    

    March 10th, 2008 at 6:02 pm (#)

    “no chance of ten­sions between tel­u­gus and kannadigas“bcoz tel­ugu peo­ple are not arrogant,they know to give respect to local peo­ple and culture.even if two tel­ugu peo­ple are there in a group,they will com­mu­ni­cate in local launguage.But have u seen the atti­tude of Tamil and Hindi people.if two r there in a group they will chatt loudly ignor­ing oth­ers as is they r in their home.Even a labouer from TN show so much attitude.Even in Ben­galuru they want all the facil­i­ties as in Chennai

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